Mr. Hubert. Is that what you had in mind?

Mr. Clardy. That and the FBI agent, Mr. Hall, then came up and talked to Ruby off and on until the time that he was taken to Captain Fritz' office.

Mr. Hubert. How long a period was that?

Mr. Clardy. Sir, he was up there probably within 15 to 20 minutes after we had taken Mr. Ruby upstairs. Agent Hall was, and he talked to Mr. Ruby at considerable length until he had several telephone calls. I don't know who they were from or what they was about, but, that he was called to the telephone several times while he was up there.

Mr. Hubert. And Mr. Sorrels was present also?

Mr. Clardy. Mr. Sorrels had left before Mr. Hall come up there. Sorrels had talked briefly to Mr. Ruby. I say, "briefly," he—approximately 10 minutes.

Mr. Hubert. Let's see if I can get the time sequence. Within 15 minutes after Ruby was brought to the top—to the fifth floor, Mr. Hall came?

Mr. Clardy. Uh-huh.

Mr. Hubert. And interviewed him, with some interruptions by telephone calls, for approximately what, now, an hour and a half?

Mr. Clardy. I'd say Mr. Hall was up there 3½ hours.