Mr. Dean. Yes, sir.

Mr. Griffin. Well, were Talbert and Frazier—and who else was present during the conversation?

Mr. Dean. I believe Lieutenant Pierce was there, myself and Sergeant Putnam might have been there. Several other sergeants. See, this is the change time and all of his supervisors, Captain Frazier's and Captain Talbert's, the ones that are working that day, they will generally be in the office at that time.

Mr. Griffin. Off the record.

(Discussion off the record.)

Mr. Griffin. Could you tell me where we were?

(The record was here read by the reporter.)

Mr. Griffin. Do you remember any other things that were said? Try to think about what these people said when this topic was brought up.

Mr. Dean. Captain Frazier said something to the effect that he had called Captain Fritz when Sheriff Decker called to request the movement of Oswald, and Captain Fritz stated that he didn't think that Chief Curry wanted him moved during the night, that it was—he would be moved some time this day, that day, rather than in the night. It would be this day. That's where I got it that he was to be moved on the 24th.

Mr. Griffin. Now, I take it that this was sort of changing of the guard at this point, and Frazier was going off duty and he was sort of passing on the word to Talbert?