(Discussion off the record.)

Mr. Griffin. Where were we?

(The record was here read by the reporter.)

Mr. Dean. To just let no one in?

Mr. Griffin. Yes.

Mr. Dean. Well, just a moment. Let me—I knew that the pressmen—I am wondering where I—it was just generally assumed to me that the pressmen would be allowed to witness the movement of Oswald.

Mr. Griffin. But from these doors, now, the men that were on the ramps, of course, you would expect an influxion of people down those ramps, but from those interior doors in the garage, I am wondering what expectation you could have that anybody would be coming through there? I am not asking this question to try to trip you up or anything like that, but I am just wondering if you thought about this? You might think of something that you had in mind that might shed some light on this.

Mr. Dean. No, sir; the only thing, I was searching the basement and to do this I had to clear the basement to satisfy myself that there was no one in the basement, and after I was satisfied with this, then the press and the police officers could come back in the basement, if they were properly identified.

Mr. Griffin. Now, when you instructed Nelson and Brock and the reserve officer, were Vaughn and Patterson also present?

Mr. Dean. Yes, sir.