Mr. Hubert. In other words, you were not——
Captain Jones. In other words, I was not up on the rise itself. I was walking toward it.
Mr. Hubert. Heading from what direction?
Captain Jones. From the general area in front of the jail office door, out in the flat area. The ramps come down like [indicating] straighten out. The jail is here [indicating].
Mr. Hubert. In other words, what you wish to point out is that the Commerce Street ramp takes an upturn about half way up the ramp?
Captain Jones. Yes, sir.
Mr. Hubert. And that you want to indicate that you had not reached the up-rise?
Captain Jones. No, sir; I had not.
Mr. Hubert. But, you were in the ramp that runs between Main and Commerce, but on the level part?
Captain Jones. On the level part, and walking toward the rise.