Mr. Hubert. Can you tell me how many people were in the area that I am marking with a pen, "Area A"?

Captain Jones. I cannot tell you.

Mr. Hubert. Which is to say, the area north of the line "A", which you recently drew?

Captain Jones. Mr. Hubert, that would be truly a guess on my part along with knowledge obtained later and watching these TV films. Unconsciously, I would have to use that, for I don't have any idea on it.

Mr. Hubert. Were they standing shoulder to shoulder across the ramp?

Captain Jones. It wasn't when we first pushed them back there, it was possibly six or eight people, and possibly a few more than that including officers. I didn't stop to—told the officers, "Get them back," "get them back."

Mr. Hubert. Now, I am talking about an area called "B", can you give me any comment as to how many people roughly were in there?

Captain Jones. I couldn't guess. A few minutes later I can tell you there was quite a few people there, but——

Mr. Hubert. We'll get to there. Suppose we get to that. Now then, at the time Oswald was brought down, can you tell me how many people, roughly, were in Area "A" and Area "B"?

Captain Jones. No, sir; I find myself with figures there that—that I do not know whether they are right or not.