Lieutenant Revill. That he had seen Ruby in the basement of the city hall, and that Ruby had presented press credentials to someone in the basement of the city hall. We were never able to locate this reserve officer.

Mr. Hubert. Did Holly tell you that a reserve officer, possibly the same one, possibly another, had told him that he had seen Ruby coming down the ramp, Main Street ramp, and just about a minute before the shooting?

Lieutenant Revill. No, sir; Holly did not say that to me. I found a reserve officer who was present in the basement of the city hall who saw some individual coming down the ramp, the Main Street ramp.

He could not identify this person as being Ruby. As you said, approximately a minute or minute and a half after the shooting—I mean, prior to the shooting. Have you got a——

Mr. Hubert. I don't want to suggest anything to you, but to assist you, tell me if you don't recognize the name, Officer Newman?

Lieutenant Revill. I believe that it is Newman. I can show you. You—he was assigned——

Mr. Hubert. Did you interview Newman?

Lieutenant Revill. Yes; I did.

Mr. Hubert. Newman said that he had not recognized Jack Ruby?

Lieutenant Revill. Yes; he did not recognize the man coming down the ramp, and the distance involved, I can readily see why he could not identify him.