Mr. Hubert. Tuesday?
Lieutenant Revill. On a Tuesday, yes, sir. The afternoon of December 3. What we had been attempting to do was to put Jack Ruby on a polygraph machine, and his lawyer, Tom Howard, had been approached during the first interview as to doing this. He stated that there were other lawyers coming into the case and that he would have to have their permission before agreeing to let Jack take this examination.
On Monday we communicated with Tom by telephone and he kept hedging with us, and telling us he had not heard from the other lawyers. By "Tom," I mean Tom Howard, the lawyer. On Tuesday, we discussed it again with him and he stated that he was still trying to work this thing out. So, Cornwall and I again decided—that we would go directly to Jack Ruby. He was the person involved, and we would give him the opportunity to submit to the examination. If he wanted to, fine. If he doesn't want to then it's also fine. So, we went to Jack on the 2d—on the 3d of December and gave him the opportunity to take the polygraph.
Mr. Hubert. That is to say, you asked him?
Lieutenant Revill. Asked him, yes, sir.
Mr. Hubert. Was his lawyer present then?
Lieutenant Revill. Not in the beginning. We later called Tom Howard to the interview so that he could be present, and they refused to have Jack submitted.
Mr. Hubert. At first when you asked Jack about going on the polygraph machine prior to Tom Howard's being present, what did he say?
Lieutenant Revill. He said—during the second interview he said that his lawyer would have to——
Mr. Hubert. All right, then his lawyer came and——