(Discussion off the record to orient positions.)

Mr. Hubert. From the corner which is formed by the intersection of the jail corridor and the Main Street ramp on a line roughly due east or northeast, rather, and another line running along the Main Street ramp, and then another line across the ramp to the wall, how many news people were in that area?

Mr. Stevenson. I would say, and it is purely a guess, from 30 to 40 on the north ramp, Mr. Hubert.

Mr. Hubert. How many people can you estimate could stand abreast along there?

Mr. Stevenson. It is 12 feet and 6 inches wide, the ramp is. I would say 5 people could stand in there side by side.

Mr. Hubert. It actually is a little wider, is it not?

Mr. Stevenson. It is down here. That is why I was looking for another little map I had there. It is 15 and 2 here.

Mr. Hubert. Well, roughly speaking, how many people did you see abreast there, and how many ranks of such people were there?

Mr. Stevenson. I don't know how many ranks there were. I would say there were, counting the officers and the detectives, and that is what I would have to go by, because we had detectives ranging that whole area.

I would say they were 6 or 7 or 8 deep.