Mr. Hubert. Yes.
(Discussion off the record.)
Captain Talbert. I went to point "3" and tried the other door which was locked externally. Went to point "4"——
Mr. Hubert. Before you leave point "3," did you know whether that door was locked from the other side?
Captain Talbert. No, sir.
Mr. Hubert. So, that a person in the stairwell——
Captain Talbert. That is not the stairwell, sir, that is the second door of the first aid station.
Mr. Hubert. Oh, the second door of the first aid station?
Captain Talbert. "3" it is the second door of the first aid station. "4" to the stairwell leading downstairs to a subbasement, engineroom, and leading from the first floor down to the basement area is a fire escape type—that door was secured from the outside.
Mr. Hubert. Do you know if anybody on the inside of that door could have come from the stairwell into the basement?