Mr. Arnett. I know what you are talking about there.

Mr. Griffin. Were there any lights like that over by these TV cameras?

Mr. Arnett. I don't remember any like that, but they had to be for it to be alive, I guess, but I don't remember them being on when this happened.

Mr. Griffin. Before Oswald came out you were where we put this A at the bottom of the ramp, when you had occasion to look off into the garage area, was it possible to distinguish objects, or distinguish people or cars in there?

Mr. Arnett. There was a car came out the ramp, after we got in line, and went out the ramp on North Main, up the ramp, out on North Main. We broke up——

Mr. Griffin. I am going to ask you this simple question, as you looked out over in there, could you see cars or people or anything over behind those TV cameras; could you see anything beyond those TV cameras?

Mr. Arnett. Well, I saw this car that was coming out. Now, that was before Lee Oswald was brought down.

Mr. Griffin. But did you see that car before it came out of the garage?

Mr. Arnett. I saw it coming out of the ramp.

Mr. Griffin. All right. Now, did you see it before it came to the ramp?