Mr. Arnett. I think so. That's my honest opinion about it.

Mr. Griffin. That's what I want. Now, when you saw that first car go up the ramp, how long would you say after the first car went up did the second car go up?

Mr. Arnett. Well, it wasn't very long.

Mr. Griffin. All right. Now, did you watch that first car go up the ramp?

Mr. Arnett. No, sir; I did not.

Mr. Griffin. Now, as you were standing here where we have marked the A and as you looked over toward the armored car, did you have occasion to look over at that armored car?

Mr. Arnett. It was straight in front of me.

Mr. Griffin. That was up near the top of the Commerce Street ramp, wasn't it?

Mr. Arnett. Yes, sir; or just inside. I don't believe it was all the way under the shed.

Mr. Griffin. Did you see Chief Batchelor up there?