Mr. Arnett. To my right. Lee Oswald came out, the two detectives, Leavelle and Graves, Leavelle was handcuffed to Oswald. Graves was on the left side of him, had him by the arm. The first time I saw Jack Ruby he was just about in this position, just pow, that's just how quick it happened.
Mr. Griffin. Now, you get back there in the position where you first saw Jack.
Mr. Arnett. [Indicating.]
Mr. Griffin. No. You get where you saw Jack [indicating].
Mr. Arnett. Yes.
Mr. Griffin. Is that about how far Jack was from——
Mr. Arnett. From Oswald when I saw him, I guess [indicating].
Mr. Griffin. Is that how far he was from Harrison?
Mr. Arnett. He might have been a little further out this way from him, but (indicating).
Mr. Griffin. In other words, the first time you saw Ruby, Ruby was standing forward, he was standing between—in front of Harrison in the direction of the Commerce Street ramp?