Mr. Croy. No.
Mr. Griffin. Can you describe the people that you saw Ruby push through?
Mr. Croy. Well, it was just a group of reporters there trying to get closer to Ruby. I mean to Oswald.
Mr. Griffin. Were there any police officers near Ruby at the time that he moved through that line?
Mr. Croy. There were no uniform police officers. If there were some detectives there, I don't know, because I didn't know any of them.
Mr. Griffin. Well, during this period that you were down in the basement, the 5-minute period that you were in the basement, were you able to distinguish the plainclothes detectives from the newspaper people?
Mr. Croy. No; I was in the basement longer than 5 minutes.
Mr. Griffin. The period that you were stationed at the base of the ramp, the 15 minutes or more, were you able to distinguish the uniformed officers from the newspaper people?
Mr. Croy. Uniformed officers; yes. The detectives; no.
Mr. Griffin. You couldn't distinguish them? All right. Are you able to describe the relative size of the newspaper reporters that Ruby moved there, in comparison to him?