Mr. Croy. No.

Mr. Griffin. Have you ever testified in any court case before?

Mr. Croy. No.

Mr. Griffin. Now, after Ruby shot Oswald, did there come a time when you ran up the Main Street ramp and stopped reporters leaving?

Mr. Croy. Yes.

Mr. Griffin. How long was that after this scuffle on the floor?

Mr. Croy. That is hard to say, because it was right there, you might say, right with the scuffle on the floor that they said "seal the basement."

Mr. Griffin. How long did you stand up there at the Main Street ramp?

Mr. Croy. Oh, just a few minutes. Then I moved to the entrance into the jail office.

Mr. Griffin. How long did you remain there?