Chief Batchelor. No, sir; I don't know.

Mr. Griffin. Did you have an occasion to talk with an officer by the name of Newman that day?

Chief Batchelor. No.

Mr. Griffin. Did you have occasion to talk to Officer Vaughn on that day?

Chief Batchelor. No; over on top of the ramp?

Mr. Griffin. Yes.

Chief Batchelor. No; as a matter of fact, I never have talked with Vaughn. And I wasn't talking to Dean in the nature of interrogating. He voluntarily told me this.

Mr. Griffin. Was anybody else present when Dean told you that?

Chief Batchelor. I don't recall that there was. I don't think there was.

Mr. Griffin. Do you recall where this conversation occurred?