Mr. Cutchshaw. Well, I helped carry—I had hold of Ruby's left hand up as far as the jail office door. And all of us couldn't get through at the same time, so I released, because there was another man right in front at his shoulder, so I let go so they could get in.
Mr. Griffin. Were you in the jail office when Ruby was taken upstairs?
Mr. Cutchshaw. Well, I think I was, because I was there at the door keeping other people out—after I got in. Let me put it like this: After we got Ruby on the inside, I slammed the door, too.
Mr. Griffin. Did there come a time when you left the jail office?
Mr. Cutchshaw. Yes; there was.
Mr. Griffin. How long after Ruby shot Oswald would you say that was?
Mr. Cutchshaw. I imagine it was only a couple of minutes. Just a very short time.
Mr. Griffin. Then where did you go?
Mr. Cutchshaw. I notified this TV camera officer here with two men, I went over to talk to them, because they were trying to push it up this ramp by theirselves, and I do remember seeing three men with that camera at one time, and there was only two men at the time trying to push it.
Mr. Griffin. Do you remember what TV camera that was? What station?