Mr. Cutchshaw. None whatsoever.
Mr. Griffin. Didn't Harrison indicate shortly after this event that he was worried about this, because Ruby had come right past him?
Mr. Cutchshaw. Yes.
Mr. Griffin. Didn't he talk about that by the time you got back to the juvenile bureau?
Mr. Cutchshaw. I don't remember whether he talked about it; he just said that he remembered seeing this man come out and this gun come up, and he described to me, but as far as him saying he was worried about it, I don't remember that. As far as any reflection on himself——
Mr. Griffin. I was not trying to talk particularly about whether Blackie saw Jack there a few minutes ago. Honestly, I don't care to know if that is true, but to me, that is no reflection on him. But it is very important for us to find out what happened, because if we don't know what happened, we have to speculate and wonder whether there was somebody else involved here.
Mr. Cutchshaw. Well, let me tell you: I came down here. A lot of people say I need a lawyer, but I don't want one because I came down to tell you the truth and just the way I saw it. I told you what I saw. Of course, some of my time elements are a little bit this way, but I said what I saw, and the only thing I did tell you——
Mr. Griffin. I want you to tell me, and this is what is important, what you feel at this point, what your motivation, unconscious or conscious, is in this, and I don't expect you to tell me that Blackie thought that he saw the man or anybody else, but I want to know if you feel that what you have told me today in such a determined and what appeared to me forthright fashion, is based, is affected in any way because of the concern of anybody in the juvenile bureau, about Harrison and Lowery and Miller and anybody else in the bureau who was down there, and in particular to have seen Ruby if he came in?
Mr. Cutchshaw. I believe that if Blackie Harrison had seen Ruby come in, he would have put him out.
Mr. Griffin. Now, to what extent, I want to know, do you think that this concern of your affects your story, honestly?