Mr. Daniels. Yes.

Mr. Hubert. You are familiar with that building, because you worked there for a long time?

Mr. Daniels. Yes.

Mr. Hubert. Would you say you were about half way between the Western Union and the Main ramp, or just what distance between those two?

Mr. Daniels. Oh, let me see, let me get it in my mind—I would say I was a little nearer the Western Union Building than I was to the entrance of the basement of the city hall.

Mr. Hubert. Are you familiar with that alley that goes from Main Street back in towards Commerce and makes an "L" and comes out on Pearl Street?

Mr. Daniels. I think I was just on the east side of that.

Mr. Hubert. When you say "east," it doesn't mean anything to me.

Mr. Daniels. Near Pearl.

Mr. Hubert. In other words, you were on the Western Union side of the alley?