Mr. Daniels. Let's see, I would say 3 or 4 minutes. Now, I have been thoroughly confused on this because down at the police department they tell me one thing and it gets my mind all confused.
Mr. Hubert. Well, what we want is not what somebody else told you, but what you, yourself can best remember today.
Mr. Daniels. Here's what struck me—when I saw the car come out, I was thinking—I guess they are fixing to bring Oswald out now, maybe, because they are coming out to set up a guard, and they pulled on out and I remember watching the car until they got to Harwood and Main, and then I stopped looking at it and I didn't pay any attention to where it went or anything, and then I kind of looked back down in there from where I was standing near the ramp there.
Mr. Hubert. Now, when the car came out, what did Vaughn do?
Mr. Daniels. Vaughn walked out to the street to hold up traffic, because they were coming out the wrong way. They don't normally come out that way and he was going out to hold up traffic and let them get through.
Mr. Hubert. Did he get beyond the sidewalk so that he was actually out in the street?
Mr. Daniels. I think he walked out in the street.
Mr. Hubert. How far into the street?
Mr. Daniels. That would be hard to say but I wasn't paying that much attention, but he walked out into the street—he didn't get beyond the center of the street, but he walked out in there.
Mr. Hubert. In other words, he left position No. 2 and went to a position we will call No. 4 by a circle, and I will just write in there "approximate position of Vaughn when Rio Pierce's car drove out," and when I say "approximate," I am understanding you to say that you are not sure how far into the street he went, you know he did not go beyond the center stripe, but you think he went——