Mr. Harrison. I remember seeing Lieutenant Butler up there.

Mr. Griffin. And could you distinguish these police officers from the position in the middle of the entranceway to the jail office where you have marked your initial, where you have marked your initial position on the ramp here, could you, looking up towards Commerce Street, could you distinguish the faces of the police officers up there, could you recognize who they were, toward the armored car?

Mr. Harrison. Well, I recognized Lieutenant Butler, but I don't recall seeing—now, Chief Batchelor was around the truck. They went in and out of the truck there inspecting it.

Mr. Griffin. And do you recall seeing him up there?

Mr. Harrison. Yes.

Mr. Griffin. Uh-huh. And you didn't have any difficulty seeing Batchelor from your position on the ramp?

Mr. Harrison. No.

Mr. Griffin. And presumably the same situation would prevail if you looked up toward the Main Street ramp, isn't that right?

Mr. Harrison. That is right.

Mr. Griffin. And did you ever have occasion to look up toward the Main Street ramp and see the police officer who was guarding the exit to the ramp up there?