Captain Martin. Yes.
Mr. Hubert. When they got just about, oh, 2 or 3 feet from Harrison, there was a movement over here [indicating]. I couldn't tell what it was. I could tell there was a movement.
Mr. Hubert. By "over here," you mean——
Captain Martin. On the ramp.
Mr. Hubert. What side of the ramp? The basement—the garage?
Captain Martin. The garage. The garage side. Evidently Ruby was standing right here [indicating].
Mr. Hubert. Now, when you say "here," you'd better put a mark and put a little arrow to it, your best recollection as to where Ruby must have been. You didn't see Ruby?
Captain Martin. No, no; this is just supposition. He had to be right in here somewhere.
Mr. Hubert. In other words, just put a mark and a line and indicate where he was.
Captain Martin. I didn't see him, but he had to be right there [indicating]. There is no question about that.