Mr. Hubert. Do you remember what time that was?

Mr. Armstrong. No; I don’t recall what time it was.

Mr. Hubert. In any case, within 5 minutes after you heard that the President was dead, Jack came in?

Mr. Armstrong. He came in.

Mr. Hubert. Did he know then that the President was dead?

Mr. Armstrong. He knew.

Mr. Hubert. Did he say so?

Mr. Armstrong. Well, he was—he didn’t say anything—he just got on the telephone. No, he said something about, “It’s a shame.” He kept saying, “It’s a shame,” like that and he got on the telephone and he was crying.

Mr. Hubert. Do you know who he was speaking to on the telephone?

Mr. Armstrong. Well, he spoke to his sister, he spoke to—he made some long-distance phone calls, I think one to his brother Earl.