Mr. Griffin. Were there any rumors circulating in the homicide bureau about how Oswald would be transferred?

Mr. Graves. Not to my knowledge.

Mr. Griffin. All right. Well, then, when was the next time that you got any information about moving Lee Oswald?

Mr. Graves. Immediately after, just a few minutes before the interview was completed, I went in the office, and we were instructed that we were to take him down, and he would be taken in the car.

Mr. Griffin. Who was in the office when you walked in?

Mr. Graves. Well, Mr. Sorrels and Mr. Holmes.

Mr. Griffin. Sorrels is from the Secret Service?

Mr. Graves. Mr. Holmes is from the Postal Department—I believe it is the Postal Department, and I can’t think of the other man’s name now.

Mr. Griffin. Man from the FBI?

Mr. Graves. Yes; I have that in the little report that I wrote, but I can’t think of his name right now. It is a simple name, too, but I can’t think of it.