Mr. Hubert. A very short man?

Mr. Crafard. Fairly short. Wasn’t much taller than Jack. He probably would, I would say, probably would weigh about 180, 185.

Mr. Hubert. Fat or husky?

Mr. Crafard. Kind of on the fat side.

Mr. Hubert. Did he have a limp?

Mr. Crafard. I believe he did, I am not sure.

Mr. Hubert. Do you know anything else about the relationship between him and Jack?

Mr. Crafard. I believe him and Jack, he was rooming with Jack, I believe.

Mr. Hubert. Were you ever at Jack’s apartment?

Mr. Crafard. I was over to Jack’s apartment on two different occasions.