Mr. Griffin. Did Jack have anybody else associated with him in these twist boards?

Mr. Crafard. He was trying to get his one brother to do something with them, and I believe it was in Chicago.

Mr. Griffin. That would have been Hyman?

Mr. Crafard. How is that?

Mr. Griffin. That would have been Hyman in Chicago?

Mr. Crafard. I believe it was “Hy,” yes.

Mr. Griffin. How do you know he was trying to get “Hy” interested in it?

Mr. Crafard. He had me send some to him.

Mr. Hubert. I gather from what you have testified to that you have been around carnivals and you have met a lot of people, and also I think you said that you form an impression of an individual pretty quickly and have found in your own experience you have only been wrong once, I think.

Mr. Crafard. I have been wrong twice that I can recall.