Mr. Crafard. It might have been. I don’t know.

Mr. Hubert. In any case, either you or Andy made such a remark, and was Jack present when it was made?

Mr. Crafard. I believe he was; yes.

Mr. Hubert. You have a distinct recollection of that?

Mr. Crafard. I don’t have a distinct recollection; no.

Mr. Hubert. Was it on the same occasion that you mentioned earlier that he came in and said about how it would improve the business?

Mr. Crafard. I believe it was the day before the President’s trip, arrival in Dallas, Andy and I had been saying something about wanting to see it and some one of us said something about it was only about a block or something like that to go to see it.

Mr. Hubert. Did you ask Jack’s permission to leave to go watch it?

Mr. Crafard. I think we both told Jack that we was going to go watch it.

Mr. Hubert. You and Andy did?