Mr. Crafard. Yes.
Mr. Hubert. He left about 4:30 or 5, right?
Mr. Crafard. Yes, sir.
Mr. Hubert. Having stayed there only 10 minutes, whatever time he did come?
Mr. Crafard. He stayed only 10 or 15 minutes. He hadn’t been there very long.
Mr. Hubert. From the time that you first heard of the President’s death until he left that second time to go to his sister’s, had he called his sister once or twice?
Mr. Crafard. I believe, that was the second time he called her that day, I’m not positive.
Mr. Hubert. So that the first call must have been through the first, during the first visit, mustn’t it?
Mr. Crafard. Yes; I believe so, because he only made the one phone call when he came back the last time.
Mr. Hubert. Now, with relation to the call to his brother, is your memory fresh now as to whether that call was made during his first visit between 2:30 and 3 o’clock, 2:30 and 3:30, or on his second visit when he stayed 10 minutes?