Mr. Hubert. Did you find out or try to find out her phone number?

Mr. Crafard. I asked for her—I tried to get her phone number where she was at. I tried to get her home phone number. I tried to get her address. She wouldn’t.

Mr. Hubert. She wouldn’t give you any of that?

Mr. Crafard. No.

Mr. Hubert. Can you give us any idea what subject you could possibly have talked about for that length of time?

Mr. Crafard. Mostly we discussed our different hobbies, our likes and dislikes. Like I say, the conversation was more as if we had known each other for 2 or 3 weeks or better.

Mr. Hubert. You must have made more than one effort to try to get her phone number and her address.

Mr. Crafard. Several times I tried.

Mr. Hubert. What reason did she ascribe for not giving it to you?

Mr. Crafard. She said she was at a neighbor’s place. She was babysitting for some friends of hers.