Mr. Griffin. You had heard a conversation about that?
Mr. Graves. I heard that discussed just briefly, the armored car was there, but——
Mr. Griffin. Well, did you hear the discussion about a decoy?
Mr. Graves. Well, Captain Fritz turned back to me and Leavelle, told us that the armored car would go ahead, and that we would leave out in the regular car; so, he told Leavelle to handcuff himself to Oswald. Can I tell you something off the record?
Mr. Griffin. Sure.
(Discussion off the record.)
Mr. Griffin. All right.
Mr. Graves. I expect it doesn’t matter. I thought about it later. It doesn’t mean anything, I don’t suppose, unless it has some sentimental value to him.
Mr. Griffin. Did you hear Oswald say anything, or any other conversation with Oswald before you took him down?
Mr. Graves. I heard some other conversation, but I am vague on what it was. Discussion between he and—I wish I could remember that man’s name. I want to say, “O’Malley.” Seems like it was an Irish name. He was asking him something about his stay in Russia and some of his activities down in Mexico and—but just what his answer was, I am vague on it. He discussed something with him, and I wasn’t paying too much attention at the time. Some answers that he gave.