Mr. Sorrels. I don’t know that Archer said that—I don’t remember his name.

Mr. Hubert. Dean—when did you learn that?

Mr. Sorrels. When Mr. Griffin asked me over the telephone if certain statements were made, and I told him, in conversation with him, the statements that Ruby had made to me, and he asked me if certain other statements were made, and I said not to my knowledge, “I don’t remember anything like that,” and one of them was about whether or not Ruby came down the ramp, and I told him at that time I didn’t recall that statement having been made, and I didn’t believe that statement was made in my presence.

Mr. Hubert. I thought you said in the interview with Wade you told him you did not hear Ruby say that he had formed the intent to kill Oswald on Friday.

Mr. Sorrels. No, no.

Mr. Hubert. I am sorry.

Mr. Sorrels. No; I didn’t hear that. Ruby didn’t say that. I told Wade that.

Mr. Hubert. You did tell Wade that? Did Wade ask you that?

Mr. Sorrels. He asked me if certain statements were made, and I told him no, not in my presence.

Mr. Hubert. In other words, you had not heard of that even until Wade brought it to your attention?