Mr. Hankal. That’s right—before the shots were fired that’s where we were.
Mr. Hubert. Then, at all pertinent times prior to the shooting you were there?
Mr. Hankal. Right.
Mr. Hubert. The camera itself was back of the rail into the parking area—you were in front of the rail on the ramp?
Mr. Hankal. On the ramp in front of the rail—right.
Mr. Hubert. Do you know Jim Turner?
Mr. Hankal. No; I don’t.
Mr. Hubert. Do you know George Phenix?
Mr. Hankal. Yes.
Mr. Hubert. Was he there too?