Mr. Huffaker. When I heard the shot, I recognized it as the sound of a .38, and just as soon as reflexes would do it, I turned and saw Oswald as he fell. I really could not distinguish Ruby from the mass of humanity that was there, but the thing that I saw when I turned around was Oswald falling.

Mr. Hubert. What distance do you suppose there was between your body and Oswald’s body at the time you saw this? You may look, for example, in this room and see. Stay where you are and let me stand away from you—was it this far or farther or closer or what? [Hubert walked distances as indicated by the question.]

Mr. Huffaker. Let me see—let me stand up—it was about this far.

Mr. Hubert. What do you judge, “this distance” to be?

Mr. Huffaker. Well, I would say it is about 11 feet.

Mr. Hubert. All right. Did you hear Ruby say anything?

Mr. Huffaker. No, sir; I did not.

Mr. Hubert. Did you hear anyone else say anything which was distinguishable?

Mr. Huffaker. Not distinguishable—that is, not at the moment of the shot. Immediately before or after——

Mr. Hubert. Did you hear anything at any time after?