Mr. Hubert. Did you observe during the time you were standing at your position No. 6, a camera being loaded through the double doors or swinging doors at the jail corridor?
Mr. Phenix. Yes; there was a live camera also—I don’t know whose that was and I don’t even know where the camera wound up—the final position.
Mr. Hubert. Did you observe how many people were pushing it along?
Mr. Phenix. I didn’t really pay any attention to it.
Mr. Hubert. You don’t know even now whose camera it was?
Mr. Phenix. It was either NBC or ABC—it was a local camera man but they were shooting for one of those two networks.
Mr. Hubert. How long before the shooting was it that you saw this camera being rolled out from the jail corridor?
Mr. Phenix. Not—it wasn’t too long before the shooting—maybe 20 minutes. We were getting a little edgy from sitting there so long, so it’s hard to estimate time, or, I was getting edgy.
Mr. Hubert. Did you notice a police car come from the parking area up the ramp that goes from the parking area to the level of the basement area and turn right, pass you, and go on up the Main Street ramp?
Mr. Phenix. You mean come out from here and go out this way? [Indicating on markup.]