Mr. Hubert. You had never seen him before?

Mr. Turner. I had never seen him.

Mr. Hubert. Had you ever heard of him?

Mr. Turner. I had never heard of him.

Mr. Hubert. Now, of course, since November 24, you have heard of Jack Ruby. You have seen his picture, I take it?

Mr. Turner. Yes, sir.

Mr. Hubert. Have you ever seen him in person?

Mr. Turner. Yes, sir; I saw him at the trial. At various times when they took him in the courtroom, except the morning of the shooting I saw him.

Mr. Hubert. You saw him then, too? What I wanted to get at was whether you ever saw the man now known as Jack Ruby, in the police building prior to the time that you saw him immediately before the shooting?

Mr. Turner. To my knowledge, I had never seen him until then.