Mr. Turner. As “10”. It was the same man, and came out and shot him from “10”.

Mr. Hubert. So, that if it were Jack Ruby who shot Oswald, it was Jack Ruby at place number “10”?

Mr. Turner. That’s right. Right. Right.

Mr. Hubert. How long before the shooting was it that you saw a man in position number “10” there in a circle on the ramp?

Mr. Turner. It was not more than 15 to 30 seconds. It was——

Mr. Hubert. Did you keep your eye on the man, this man?

Mr. Turner. No; I had just glanced up there, and I had come back—my eye on our reporter, Tom Pettit, and also the door, which is behind Tom Pettit, which I will mark right now as “11”, where Oswald made his exit.

Mr. Hubert. Now, when was the next time you saw the man whom you have previously identified as number “10” and at what position was he then?

Mr. Turner. The next time I saw him he walked up to Position “12”, which was almost in line with our man, Pettit, which is number “8”, here.

Mr. Hubert. Now, you saw him then?