Mr. McKinzie. No, sir; never was open.
Mr. Hubert. Do you recall whether the back of the elevator was open any time during the morning of November 24th, until the shooting?
Mr. McKinzie. I am sure that I wouldn’t be making no mistake if I said it was open several times, because we had some porters down there working that brings trash from the jail department, and I always let them out that door, and they go out the back, and that is where they keep all their trash and the garbage and so forth, and I imagine about 8 or 8:30, that they were open, because that is about the time they carries the trash and stuff out.
Mr. Hubert. So that the back——
Mr. McKinzie. There would be one porter probably went out maybe one or two trips.
Mr. Hubert. How would he get out through that back door leading onto the alleyway? Is that an open door?
Mr. McKinzie. It is locked.
Mr. Hubert. Who has the key?
Mr. McKinzie. They gives them a key to go out that door to carry the trash, and they bring the key back and carry them back down to the basement.
Mr. Hubert. They don’t have a key personally; the key is in the elevator on a ring, is that right?