Mr. Pierce. I don’t know a Kelly. Maybe her last name is Kelly.
Mr. Hubert. No; this is a man called Edward Kelly. What about Henry, or Harold Fuqua?
Mr. Pierce. Harold Fuqua remained in the basement momentarily. He remained in the basement and started to stay and—he did stay—at that time he wasn’t on the elevator when we came up. He did stay, but later he was also required to leave though his immediate job responsibility—he stated he was forced to leave later. At that time he stayed——
Mr. Hubert. At any time was the service elevator locked in such a way that it couldn’t be operated, to your knowledge?
Mr. Pierce. Are you asking me if there were a time when it was locked? That, I don’t know. I don’t think it was, but it is possible that it might have actually been locked but I don’t actually know.
Mr. Hubert. What about the two elevators used during the week, were they locked?
Mr. Pierce. They were turned off.
Mr. Hubert. They couldn’t operate at all? It is possible to lock the service elevator so that it cannot move?
Mr. Pierce. Well, now, that is an embarrassing question. In 5 years I have never seen it locked, but all other elevators that I know of do have locks on the outside, and undoubtedly it does, too, but in my mind I am trying to——
Mr. Hubert. Isn’t there a lock on the inside that you turn and the elevator simply becomes immobile?