Mr. Hubert. Yes; in other words, if you are in the staircase itself, you can come out?
Mr. Servance. Come out, that’s right.
Mr. Hubert. But, a man on the first floor of the municipal building can’t go from the first floor to the basement by use of that staircase, can he?
Mr. Servance. Yes; inside he can.
Mr. Hubert. No; once they get inside the staircase, yes, but suppose he is standing on—in the lobby on the first floor, can he get through those fire escape doors and get into the staircase and then go down and out into the basement?
Mr. Servance. Well, now, let me kind of clear this. You see, you have three sets of those. You have two in the building, and one that comes on the outside on the Commerce Street side. Is that the one you are speaking of?
Mr. Hubert. No; I am thinking of the one in the main lobby.
Mr. Servance. Well, in the main lobby, if you are in the main lobby you can through the door, go in the door, down from the staircase, on down in the basement and go out, but you couldn’t come in.
Mr. Hubert. Well, let me put it to you——
Mr. Servance. Yes; you can come in. You can go out or come in. See, those doors are not locked up there.