Mr. Hubert. Charged to your phone, I take it?
Mrs. Carlin. Yes.
Mr. Hubert. Do you remember what time you called him?
Mrs. Carlin. It was 10. I think it was around 10 or 10:05 or 10:15, something like that. It was between that time.
Mr. Hubert. Would you be able to say with any degree of accuracy that it could not have been earlier than 10?
Mrs. Carlin. It could have been. I am not going to say for sure.
Mr. Hubert. Well, the fact of the matter is, the phone records show—I don’t have them before me, but the phone records show it was about that time. Could you just tell us the gist of the conversation with Jack on that occasion.
Mrs. Carlin. Well, Jack answered the telephone. And I told him who it was, and he said, “Yes, well,” and I said, “I have called, Jack, to try to get some money, because the rent is due and I need some money for groceries, and you told me to call.”
And he said, “How much will you need?” And I said—I’ll ask my husband, and then I said about “$25.”
Mr. Hubert. Your husband was in the room with you?