Mr. Richey. At this time he was still dressed the same way. That was the last time I saw him.

Mr. Hubert. Those two occasions were roughly separated by about 2 hours, you think?

Mr. Richey. Somewhere around there; yes.

Mr. Hubert. You didn’t know it was Jack Ruby?

Mr. Richey. No; I had no idea. I just thought he was a newsman, because there were several out there walking around, and they moved the people across the street, and he was one of the few that was left.

This person was one of the few that was left out there, and that is one reason I thought he was a newsman, because they weren’t bothering the newsmen.

Mr. Hubert. Did you see him talk to any of the police that were stationed along there?

Mr. Richey. No, sir; I didn’t see him talk to anyone.

Mr. Hubert. You said that the second time was about 10 o’clock?

Mr. Richey. Yes, sir.