Mr. Senator. I am certain—who I saw I don’t remember but I am certain that I seen people; yes.

Mr. Hubert. You mentioned that sometime you saw Howard and you don’t know whether you saw Howard the night before.

Mr. Senator. It is very possible that I may have seen Howard the next day. I may have seen him. Now where or when I don’t know, you know.

Mr. Hubert. What did you see him about? Can you tell us what the nature of the conversation was?

Mr. Senator. Well, I heard that Howard was getting the case, the Jack Ruby case.

Mr. Hubert. So you went to see him about what? Put it this way, did he call for you?

Mr. Senator. No.

Mr. Hubert. Or did you just decide to go and see him?

Mr. Senator. No; he didn’t call for me.

Mr. Hubert. You went to see him?