Mr. Griffin. What happened that Howard was not given any say?

Mr. Senator. Well, I am not sure how to relate it, but I think that Earl Ruby, who was in Detroit then, was still in Detroit, spoke to some lawyer I think in Chicago now. I think it was in Chicago, looking for a lawyer, a big lawyer for Jack Ruby, and this lawyer to my knowledge, if I understand it right, was quoted to get Mr. Belli.

Mr. Griffin. And how about Tonahill? How did Tonahill get in?

Mr. Senator. I don’t know. Tonahill, it seems, must have been a friend of Belli. The relationship I don’t know, how they met or something of that nature.

Mr. Griffin. Have you talked to Jack Ruby between the time you last saw him that Sunday morning, the 24th of November, and now?

Mr. Senator. In the jail.

Mr. Griffin. Have you talked to him?

Mr. Senator. In jail, sure.

Mr. Griffin. When did you talk with Jack?

Mr. Senator. Various times, various times that Sheriff Decker would let me up.