Mr. Griffin. And were these always the conditions under which you talked to Jack, even before you left Dallas?
Mr. Senator. That is the only way I have ever seen him, from beginning to end. That is the only way I could ever see him. In other words, there was no time that I could even touch him to shake his hand; nothing, because there was nothing but a solid iron or steel, or whatever it was, wall.
Mr. Griffin. You indicated that, of course, you noticed the most marked change in him when you returned to Dallas, and I take it from that that, up until the time you left Dallas, you didn’t notice any substantial changes in him?
Mr. Senator. I would probably say that there may have been a little—you know, there may have been some change, but how much there was or how much; I know this; I am certain within the man there would have to be some change, because when I left already, how long has passed, maybe 5 or 6 weeks have already passed by. Within the feelings of himself, which I don’t know, there must have been some change within him, you know, which I sort of surmised. Now, how much, I don’t know.
Mr. Griffin. Has there ever been any time that you have talked to Jack where he wasn’t coherent?
Mr. Senator. Take that coherent word and use another phrase.
Mr. Griffin. You use a phrase that is more appropriate to you. I take it you have some idea of what I am suggesting.
Mr. Senator. Well, when you say “coherent,” break it down to another word and make it more simplified for me.
Mr. Griffin. Was there anytime that you talked to him where it appeared that he did not understand what you were saying to him?
Mr. Senator. I never noticed it, or even thought about it that way. I don’t even know.