Mr. Senator. I would probably say he was 6 foot tall. I would say he is around about 6 foot. I don’t remember the color of his eyes, black, brown, or blue. I don’t remember. Either they are brown or blue. He had a good healthy build, now, of a normal man of that height.

Mr. Griffin. How old a man was he?

Mr. Senator. I would have to say maybe in the late forties. I am not sure. I am certain it is in the forties, if anything, you know. It could jump up a little more. I would probably say he was in the——

Mr. Griffin. How did Jack happen to know this fellow?

Mr. Senator. I don’t know. That was the one time I saw him in Dallas.

Mr. Griffin. What did you learn about him?

Mr. Senator. I didn’t learn anything about him. I knew he was selling these things, sporting goods, I guess, of various natures. As a matter of fact, I heard him mention once that they had a plant or something like that in, I think, Bonham, Tex., or a plant or something out there too, which is maybe about 75 miles from Dallas, or an office there or a plant or something out there I know. I don’t know what it is. Maybe it is a manufacturing plant they had there now. That was the only one time I saw him in Dallas.

Mr. Griffin. You don’t have any idea how Jack came to meet this fellow?

Mr. Senator. No; I don’t.

Mr. Griffin. I mentioned the name Alex Gruber.