Mr. Hubert. I gather from that that you did talk to him about it?

Mrs. Rich. I did. Quite frankly, I asked him what in the heck it was all about. At that time, he claimed, he said, “Well, you won’t believe me. I wasn’t making it up.” He claimed he ran guns and used to pilot a small boat.

Mr. Hubert. Ran guns where?

Mrs. Rich. Into Spain, for Franco.

Mr. Hubert. Do you remember the date of that document? Did it have any date on it?

Mrs. Rich. I would say it was in the late thirties, I wouldn’t be sure, late thirties or early forties. It was either just prior to him going into the United States Army or after he was released. Now, I cannot be sure on that.

Mr. Hubert. You think that it could not have been earlier than, say, 1935?

Mrs. Rich. No, it could not have.

Mr. Hubert. Why are you sure of that?

Mrs. Rich. For the simple reason he was born in 1920. It couldn’t have been much prior to 1935. It was either late thirties or early forties. Again, I would like to, for the record, state that my husband was a writer.