Mr. Hubert. Which year?
Mr. Ruby. At the end of 1963.
Mr. Hubert. And you had run it about 2 years?
Mr. Ruby. Yes, about 2 years, I would say, and there was just no more sales. I tried to dispose of it or sell it, but I couldn’t even get a buyer, so I still own the tools and dies but there are no sales.
Mr. Hubert. Those are just put in a warehouse, the tools and dies?
Mr. Ruby. Yes.
Mr. Hubert. Do you know a man by the name of Hollebrandt?
Mr. Ruby. Yes.
Mr. Hubert. Who is he?
Mr. Ruby. He is the supervisor of our plant. Is that the one you mean?