Mr. Ruby. Oh, sure.

Mr. Hubert. What contacts have you had with the Denver-Chicago Trucking Co. in Denver?

Mr. Ruby. Well, they are the people that shipped the tools and dies and the punch press to take the plates to my brother-in-law Schwartz in New York, and on route they dropped the press and broke it in half, and so I had many conversations with them before I could get a settlement out of them. So I called them several times.

Mr. Hubert. What about a man by the name of Barney Rothenberg?

Mr. Ruby. What is his first name?

Mr. Hubert. Barney.

Mr. Ruby. It doesn’t register with me.

Mr. Hubert. Or Horace Settersfield or Dettersfield.

Mr. Ruby. Delderfield.

Mr. Hubert. Delderfield?