Mr. Ruby. 1963, yes; we had this.
Mr. Griffin. What are those numbers?
Mr. Ruby. 863-0566.
Mr. Hubert. Who would have access to those office phones as it were?
Mr. Ruby. Well, most anybody in the office. We have about 10 office employees, and every once in a while some of the shop employees come up and use it.
Mr. Hubert. To make long distance phone calls?
Mr. Ruby. No. As far as long distance, I don’t think so.
Mr. Hubert. Have you checked the long distance records in any way?
Mr. Ruby. I don’t check them too carefully because we make so many. My partner lives out of town, and I always talk to maybe Miriam in the plant. We work together, we buy together sometimes. I talk to the Benton Harbor plant.
Mr. Hubert. But you don’t spot check it to see that——