Mr. Griffin. If you would?
Mr. Ruby. Yes; because that may answer that one. What is that name?
Mr. Griffin. Kirk Bibul.
Mr. Ruby. And that was in April 1962?
Mr. Griffin. No.
Mr. Ruby. That would be before that?
Mr. Griffin. No; that was after.
Mr. Ruby. Before.
Mr. Griffin. That was the latter part of 1962 and the first part of 1963.
Mr. Ruby. Late 1962 and 1963.