Mr. Ruby. Well, one of my close friends in Chicago worked in his office, another lawyer, Rheingold, Milton Rheingold.
Mr. Griffin. Incidentally, let me ask you here, did you know a lawyer in Chicago by the name of Weiner?
Mr. Ruby. A lawyer? I don’t think so, not a lawyer. I know a doctor, not a lawyer.
Mr. Griffin. Go ahead now with your contact with Bellows.
Mr. Ruby. So we talked to Bellows. I talked to him, rather. And he said he was going to be rather busy, and he wasn’t sure he could take the case. As a matter of fact, that is who I wanted originally, because we knew him. His office represented me before Rheingold, was in his office with him, was my civil lawyer in Chicago, more or less, so you know at least we had a knowledge of who we were going to hire. And, in addition to that, he is a great criminal lawyer. He is head of the American Defense Lawyers, and all that.
Mr. Griffin. And had you contacted Bellows before your telephone call to Mike Shore?
Mr. Ruby. Yes; I am quite sure I did, and I asked him to give me an idea of the fee because, you know, expenses. Well, he said his fee would run anywhere from $10,000 to $15,000, because he figured it would be a 2- or 3-month trial, plus expenses.
So I, of course, asked him what his expenses might be, and he says it shouldn’t be more than, if I recall, $100 or $200 a week for his own expenses, he said, because he doesn’t live highly and knowing me he is going to keep it down as low as possible.
Mr. Hubert. You are talking about Bellows now?
Mr. Ruby. Bellows.